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Miss Sarah



Aug 21, 05 - 4:16 AM
Vintesse and social progress

It had recently occurred to me that the era between the late 19th century and the 1920s was one of the greatest periods of social changes and progress in modern history, yet in the Aristasian image-sphere the 1920s is portrayed as if the oldest of all traditionalist decades.

This somewhat perplexes me, for the 1920s was also the time when 'traditionalists' of that time viciously opposed the emergence of the 'New Woman' for being anti-traditional and for being 'feminist' (not in the post-1960s, 'Second Wave' sense but in the first wave way).
Lady Aquila



Aug 21st, 2005 - 11:16 AM
Re: Vintesse and social progress

...in the Aristasian image-sphere the 1920s is portrayed as if the oldest of all traditionalist decades.
I am not sure where this idea comes from. I have often heard it said that Vintesse is actually considered more "modern" than Quirinelle. In fact, if we look at the Aristasian glossary, we find this:
UP-TO-DATE: From the Western provinces, but especially from Trent, Vintesse and Novaria. So we speak of up-to-date cars, songs or films (a bongo would make the gaffe of calling them "old"). Arcadian ones would be 'old-fashioned' bongo ones 'outdated' or 'obsolete'. Things from Quirinelle can be up-to-date, but never quite ultra-modern or up-to-the-minute as things from Vintesse might be.
In Tellurian terms, Vintesse parallels the earliest decade of the five Western provinces, but even ignoring its up-to-dateness as compared to Kadoria or Quirinelle, the title of the most traditionalist of the five must go - by a huge margin - to Novaria, which, despite its having by far the most advanced technics of any nation (I say "despite" only because the combination can at first seem surprising to the Tellurian mind), has a largely Estrenne population and adheres to many of the forms of the East (which is to say, of earlier Aristasia) rather than the looser, more "modern" rajasic culture of the other four Western provinces, and, indeed, even of Western Arcadia.

Western Novaria in particular is a rather fascinating combination of jinky up-to-dateness and Estrenne traditionalism. One might say that while the other four Western Nations (and, of course, Infraquirinelle) have a late-rajasic modernity underpinned by an earlier rajasic solidity which is ultimately rooted in sattwic thamë, Western Novaria has a rather curious version of late-rajasic modernity overlaid on a purely sattwic culture with little "rajasic solidity" between the two.

"Social Progress" is not a concept that exists in Aristasia, since even the more rajasic areas are fundamentally traditionalist (that is, they measure "rightness" by conformity to the Golden Order rather than by newness). The "dynamic" model, which consists of continually making mistakes and correcting them and calling the result "progress", is unknown in Aristasia.
Miss Kimberley



Aug 21st, 2005 - 12:10 PM
Re: Vintesse and social progress

I found your posting to be most educational and helpful Miss Aquila, as I continue to learn all I can of Aristasia - but I am struggling with the word sattwic, what does it mean?

Miss Kimberley
Lady Aquila



Aug 21st, 2005 - 12:37 PM
Re: Vintesse and social progress

Sattwa is one of the three Gunas (cosmic tendencies, or qualities of manifestation). The other two are Rajas and Tamas. Sattwic simply means "characterised by Sattwa".

The best place to find out what all this means is the chapter entitled The Three Gunas in History from The Feminine Universe. Fortunately this chapter is available on-line.

You may also find it useful to look at the Map of Aristasia to get an idea how the nations fit together. It is a fairly rough map and does not give an indication of the sheer size of Aristasia, but it is a good place to orient oneself.




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